The theory is all creation is born from destruction.
I believe this is false. There is no creation or destruction. Only change. What do you think?
Theory (darkness)
April 11th, 2003 | darkness
April 11th, 2003 | darkness
The theory is all creation is born from destruction.
I believe this is false. There is no creation or destruction. Only change. What do you think?
33 comments ↓
that does make sense if you think about it. i agree.
-FANGSthatKILL-
Things do change from creation. A baby is born and as he grows he changes form. And from destruction or death the baby changes form. But if you consider both creation and desrtuction to be or to = change doesn’t that make them the same thing or same meaning?
To continue one more point if you believe in change only then what started the change and how? Which brings up another ancient ? how did we get here evolution or creation? I believe more in evolution then creation,both have flaws but creatiion has alot more and most info on creation is just hear say.
it depends on the view. believing in spirituality, it depends on a belief in an afterlife or reincarnation. there are those who believe in life being special, yet see souls as mortal things. most would agree with you though
those who don’t see spirituality as meaningfull would usually agree with you even more. what is destroyed? nothing, it all just changes form. from atoms in my flesh to atoms in the ground, and from matter in the sun to energy in photons. some consider entropy to be destruction though
I tend to look at the origin. most of the modern big bang theories contend that there was first nothing, and then nothing split into something. matter, antimatter, and to tip the scales for matter, excess anti-energy in the form of antigravity, explaining the acceleration of the universe’s expansion (though the math isn’t right yet. the numbers don’t dance).
creation of anything could then be the destruction of the flawless nothing. in the end though, if you add up the anti-energy from the expansion with the energy of existant matter, and if all that dark matter is found to make the universe rational, it all equates to 0.
so we’re just a blip in the 0, a change in the expression of that zero but nothing created or destroyed in the balance.
okay, I’m done rambling. I hope that wasn’t too painful
Through distruction there is no creation. I have killed, and I have distroyed, and in the wake of chaos we left behind us there was only change.
LCpl Stanton
USMC
Iraq
I guess , someone can change from what they have learnt, or expierenced.
I am not a christian - but the first thing i thaught of when reading your question
“The theory is all creation is born from destruction.” Mabey this is stating the belief of Jesus making a sacrifise for new life of the human race by dying on a cross???.
there’s something to ponder
We sit in endless loops, and can sit here forever trying to answer this question posed. . . but will we ever find it with our limited consiousness? At the begining there was someting and at the end there will be something. . . and like the ouroboros eating it’s own tail can it not be the same thing, just another version meeting itself? Or is it just that it is a lie and the beast is just sucking on it’s tail and quietly laughing at us all?
Change is the only constant. Life/death, creation/destruction, good/bad are just two things unfolded from each other and apparently shown as extremes, yet when they fold back upon themselves they are one and the same.
Good example Voltarrens
only after disater can we be resurected, it’s only after we’ve lost everything that we’re free to do anything.
thank you tyler duden.
creation is the beginning of something entiurely new. destruction is the ending of something that was once new.
so to say that all creation is born from destruction can’t be entirely correct, because the destruction is used in the creation process. like, the bridge didn’t hold, so what can we do to the “new” bridge to make it hold. we have to learn from the old to create the new, making it, of course, not exactly new, b/c the old was used in it’s construction or design.
but i think the idea is that only great and “new” things can be made or done directly following catastrophe, disaster, destruction. i say again, t’s only after we’ve lost everything that we’re free to do anything
I think we are either:
a) Not real. Just a dream somehow. I can’t explain so don’t ask me to.
b) An accident. A blip, as said. (Out of all these posts here I probably believe the closest thing like my theories were already said by Cruentus66.)
But then again I’m probably wrong. We’re probably all wrong.
I don’t think the answer to that question will ever be found, not in a zillion years.
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YA”LL TALKING ABOUT!!!!!
DAMN YOU “FREECK”! Go read the comments on your damned posts!
Mannequin
I’m with Mannequin.
I don’t really want to get into one of these debates right now… but
I remember when I was at school there was this heavily christian girl. I mean HEAVILY. She did biology, stupid, because religion and science often don’t mix. Anyway, she ended up getting into a HUGE argument with the teacher, saying that she disagreed with the big bang theory cuz god created everything.
Well, that’s my piece.
… I’m confused…
Mannequin
(PS: Where’s my rebuttle Cruentus? I’ll stalk you forever! BUA HA HA!)
I hear those kind of arguments all the time. They really get on my last nerves - screw religion, you can’t prove anything with it.
Religion is for the weak minded it was brought up like a bed time story to give the poor people way back when some kind of hope for a better life or after life.Then christians pretty much took religion and turned into a business they make big $$$ of people and for what??????? Give money to the church to help with god BS……… How can 1 man or (GOD) control the universe and if so how did he get here his dad hahah just dosen’t make any sense
Lol… not to put down anyone’s beliefs and opinions (I respect yall), but I agree completely with you, FadedSnow.
TY……….. Illuminati…..
I think there is some very deep irony here. The Illuminati was a secret organization within a secret organization called The Freemasons. For those of you not familiar with the Freemasons, they were an elite organization of stone masons that were devout followers of Christian doctrine. It is theorized that many of American founding fathers were Freemasons, and even perhaps Jack the Ripper. However, little is known of the Illuminati, save that they were a more politically (socialism) bent faction of the Freemasons. Adolf Hitler is suspected of being a member of the Illuminati (their is much evidence in support of this. The ceremonial daggers he gave to his officers, the swastika, the Nazi eagle, and the zig hail are all elements of the Freemasons, and the Illuminati). The irony however is that handle was chosen by someone against Christianity… at least I think it’s ironic. Also, Christianity is not the corruptor of religion. If you recall the story of Christ you will remember that the reason he was executed by Pontious Pilot was because the Jewwish rabbis of the time were sick and tired of Christ calling them greedy elitist moneychangers (in essence), and thus bought Pontious Pilot’s loyalty for the execution of Christ. True, religion is a business (the most genius business of all actually, because they make millions and millions of dollars a year and sell you nothing…), but that is by no means the fault of the Christians (infact Christianity is a great idea… the Europeans just screwed it up a little). Frankly I also think it takes strength to believe in something. Alot of strength. Someone told me a bed time story that I believe in. I believe in love, yet time and time again my belief has caused so much pain, yet I still believe. Call me naive, but in this, I have faith.
Mannequin
Everyone can believe in whatever or whom ever they want to thats their choice or is it. If you were raised by monkeys would you in turn believe you were one. If your family tells you all about the lord and he is your savior and so on and so on dosen’t that push you or make you believe in him. If you were raised as a wiccan would you change your way of life and become a christian..possibly if the right person gave you enough reason to make you change your view on life. But most likely you would stay with the beliefs that you were raised with. You put a fish in a bowl for most of its life then thats all he knows. In another view of GOD he is in theory or religion a being of greater power greater intelligence. So a human to dog hmmmmmmmmm that would make a human GOD to a dog. So in that respect yes I do believe that their are other creatures of higher intellect than that of which we can comprehend. But to say that their is only one so called GOD is just to far fetched for me. (Not tring to step on anyone’s toes but thats just my view)……..
I don’t think that the world’s major religion would agree that God is a being of higher power and intelligence. They would probably say that it is a being of INFINITE power and intelligence. Another thing occurred to me… Are you suggesting that one god is absurd while multiple gods is logical?
Mannequin
Don’t worry, I’m still here.
Faded snow, so far I agree with you the most.
Everyone believes what they are told until they discover otherwise. If this discovery does not happen soon enough the persons way of thinking is much harder to change.
Example: In our adolescense we are told, say, god is almighty. When we aRe in teen years we will either start to doubt this or it calcifies. The thing is, we only start to doubt it because of something we have been told or seen or felt.
Therefore, nothing we believe in has come from inside us at all.
Don’t worry, I’m still here.
Faded snow, so far I agree with you the most.
Everyone believes what they are told until they discover otherwise. If this discovery does not happen soon enough the persons way of thinking is much harder to change.
Example: In our adolescense we are told, say, god is almighty. When we aRe in teen years we will either start to doubt this or it calcifies. The thing is, we only start to doubt it because of something we have been told or seen or felt.
Therefore, nothing we believe in has come from inside us at all.
Yes,i agree with you on that most religion’s believe that God is an infinite power. Not to step on toes again your beliefs are yours and I’m trying not to offend. It’s just not logical for me to believe that one “being” controls everything or created the universe. Not that i believe in several “beings” that do the same. I do not believe in any one supreme power. To believe that God made everything would leave you with one big question how did this being come to be? Who made him or her? One more for you to ponder on think about where Jesus was born and then think about why they always paint him white…. If their was a Jesus then he definitely wasn’t a white boy… ha…
Sorry didn’t mean to start an argument much love to you Mannequin….
FadedSnow
Good good. I’ve always had issues with European renditions of Jesus, but they had to do it to sell the religion to to the mostly white population of Europe of course. You also brought up a question that I’ve thought about in great depth. Where did the universe come from? the big bang. where did the big bang come from? god. Where did god come from??? Now, if you recall the idea that energy can niether be created or destroyed, then that means that the energy that universe consists of has always and will always be. Thus, you don’t need the middle man, so skip god. All this energy has always been. But then I had another thought. If God is supposed to be omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent, then God muist be that energy. So we’re all god. Me, you, aphids, the plant the aphids are eating… All god. Sure, you can say that being a rock doesn’t allow you to know what it’s like to be a rock (being non-sentient and all), but the rock’s definition of existance is it’s relation to all other things, thus everything that the rock effects directly or indirectly composes everything that the rock IS… It’s a tough concept to explain, but it makes alot of sense in my mind. Anyway, I love debates, so there’s never any need to apologize. And if it makes any difference to you; you giving me some of your love has made my life better, and I hope to return the favor (God, I sound like a fucking hippy).
“We are God here.”
Mannequin
Damn hit it on the spot. Most agreeable statement I’ve heard since this post started. I feel the same way. Energy has always and will always be their.
“Much Love”
FadedSnow
PS: You did sound like a hippy “^”
Mannequin
guess you stay up all night to. Good to know i guess i’ll see you around Mannequin
Later
FadedSnow
FadedSnow, I get your comment about us being god to a dog… makes sense.
But we don’t always stay with the religion we were raised on… I had bible bashers at my primary schools, relatives trying to convert me, and I still managed to find witchcraft, thank the light.
Apart from the piece, I don’t want a religious debate, I know my beliefs, and I don’t have to try to make anyone else believe in them.
Eh… I didn’t really need to hear that big story about my nickname. Just cause they follow Christ doesn’t mean that I do
What you said about Christianity not being the corrupter of religion though, is semi-false. It’s corrupted my entire life and being, man. Every day I get shit from Christians who want me to convert or go to hell for not doing so. And they have some commandment or something telling them not to judge. If that’s not corrupt, I don’t know what is.
I’m not going to debate this any further. An idea cannot corrupt itself. There is no argument. If it has corrupted you, then that is your own fault. They want you to convert because they are trying to save you from hell in their minds. There is no commandment that says do not judge. It’s a doctrine spoken by Jesus saying “Judge not lest ye be judged” (which means that you will be judged by God for your judgements so be careful [in essence]). So by your own admission, you do not know what corrupt is. I do not make a habit of making statements based on ignorance, and I recommend that everyone do the same.
Mannequin
Beautful Mess good for, glad you found something you can stick to….
Illuminati - Christians are not the only ones that try to convert and push shit on you but, you are right…….
On a somewhat unrelated note (I found this amusing)… as I am reading these comments I am also talking to my boyfriend on msn, who said “god I love you”, which I found amusing due to him not being christian, and me reading this stuff right when he said it. Just amusing choice of words.