i am not sure if i believe if there is a god or not. i am debating. i cannot explain how everything happened. i am going on the the big bang theory. my friends ask how could this happen, and how did this happen? i cannot give answers, not can i be expected to believe and all powerful being is watching over us, and created the all… i don’t believe, and i don’t like when people say to me that i am wrong. i have my faith, you have yours, dont’ preach to me and i wont’ preach to you…
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This is one of those conversations that is interesting the first time and only about 1% of the philosophy relating to this VERY important personal decision is of any real use.
The problem is that if you have faith in God, you will not understand how someone could not, and if you do not have faith in God, you can’t understand how someone can.
Personally, God never enters my mind when thinking about life, the universe and everything (although “42” might, hehe).
The downside to that is that living as a true atheist is kind of depressing from the outside: no afterlife, no belief in eternal justice, no light at the end of the tunnel, no reason to perform self-less acts.
However, this forces an atheist to consider the world around them more since they need to come up with reasons and solutions for all of this themselves.
In any case, the most important things to remember are that you can’t force someone to believe something, they have to do it for themselves (I hope) and that you should NEVER give someone a hard time or force something on them because their religion is incompatible with yours (ie, don’t talk about complicated biology with someone whose views on this subject are very different unless you know that you can both be very mature about it).
Hope that helps you,
…Nights
now i believe… i supose but question almost every moment god occupies my thoughts. sometimes i am sure that there is something out there… but then the another part of me disagrees. i can see life from both views, i think anyway, i hold nothing against different religions.. just as long as they do not question my beliefs and not be ready for me to question theirs. i also believe that whatever one person believes may very possibly be the truth, for that person, but like always i could be wrong. there could be a god but there could not? but mayb i wasted my time?
God isn’t a reason to perform self-less acts, because then that’s not self-less at all, it’s doing it because you expect to gain from it in the afterlife.
I am not religious, but I’m open to the possibility of a God, or something similar. I can’t wrap my head around the idea that space has no end or begining in time or space itself, so if that’s possible, why not a God? I never intend to choose a religion, and I doubt I’ll ever completely believe, but sometimes I like the idea.
However I do not appreciate it when people preach to me after I’ve told them I don’t want them too. I understand they believe they are saving me, and I appreciate them trying once, but I can’t stand them pushing the matter. You cannot force someone into believing in a higher power, and if you could then their belief would probably not be worth much.
To me it doesn’t matter much if there’s a God or not, I’m still going to live my life the same way, follow the morals I grew up with and try to be a good and happy person, for myself, not for God or anyone else.
I respect others beliefs, I just also expect them to respect mine.
Well put Audryn. The only problem I have with people who believe in God is that they try and force it on others. I am happy to respect their view, because if believing in god works for them and makes them happy, then they’re all the better for it. But it doesn’t work for me, and I expect the same kind of respect in return.
I’m screwed up about this whole debate too. I refuse to believe that everything came about by chance, certain things are so perfect in this world that it almost looks as if they’ve been designed. But yet i refuse to believe in God because the idea of having some form of deity watching over us just seems even more unrealistic. So we’re left on this earth alone, never knowing why we are here. What a blag eh.
I think only programmers and equally logical types can really see how easily the universe sticks together both organic and natural. Not that I’m denying the fact of a creator, but like Vix said, an all-seeing vengeful god who created man in his image, pull the other one.
well looks like we fucked up “his image” but i supose i do belive like i said before but lol i see how the all-seeing creator is hard to accept even the “believers” question for without question there is no true belief. i also hate the preaching.
To clarify:
My reference to the “self-less act” was more a poke in the direction of Nihilist philosophy which state, among other things, that the concept of the “self-less act” is impossible to perform and can never exist.
My main reason for posting again, however, is to point out how many of you are saying the same thing that religious people commonly say but I don’t think is very well thought-through (or I just can’t comprehend it since I don’t believe in its basis): the concept that God can be timeless and infinite yet the universe, time, and physics cannot. To me it always seemed as though both arguments meet the same limitation so arguing the point doesn’t help either side learn anything new.
In any case, the most important thing to do is to realize that this is personal and should NEVER be forced on anyone (don’t worry, I know I am being preachy now, and I am sorry). Most people don’t realize this is offensive to others but forcing any religion on anyone is a horrible crime and you are not “helping” them as is usually the reason given by the perpetrator.
I will shut up now,
…Nights
Problem is, even with the strongest faith you can’t explain everything, it doesn’t give you all the answers. And to be honest, I can’t be bothered to tax my brain trying to work it all out.
I mean, come on, don’t you guys have day jobs? Unless that is your day job, in which case – carry on. *grin*
But if you can believe in something and it makes you feel better then yay, good on you.
In my misspent youth I was brought up WAY Catholic, and my mom pretty much imposed her beliefs on me. Which is cool since when you’re younger you’re willing to accept it. Then I grew up and I figured as long as I don’t shoot anybody or purposefully run over any kittens, I’m okay on the “God’s wrath” front. And as long as I got my Dom, the afterlife doesn’t scare me.
So erm … the universe is there, and I’m kinda glad about that, so I’m not gonna question the how and why. Don’t wanna jinx it, after all 🙂
Nights, never shut up. You’re sixty seven different kinds of cool.
hey, i finally found my post! audryn, i agree wiht you. i hate when my mom sits down, and asks me if i talk to god. and when she asks me questions about it. she doesnt know that i dont believe, b/c i t would cause her to go into cardiac arrest if her little daughter was an atiest. shed probly go out and get an exorsist. lol
~Justine
I believe that there IS a spiritual realm that hides somewhere beneath the humanly visible one. I think that the feeling of deep running, heart stopping fear that consumes your mind and body when you walk solemnly through a cemetery, that feeling you used to get as a kid when you’d seen a scary movie, that intoxicating terror that screams through your head when you close your eyes and the devil stares back at you, must be the works of a higher yet gravely darker force or entity trying to persuade, pervert and possess our minds from the hands of what I believe must be a deity. A truly believe in god, because then it gives me an excuse to delve into the depths of what evil might hold, might show me, like a sneak preview of things to come, so I can jump on the band wagon before it’s to late.
I have seen at first hand, what I undisputedly can claim is God, and also I have fucked with what hides in the dark. It’s a personal decision that reflects your own encounters (or not) and all I can say is God is real, and Satan is real. The spirit world welcomes all with hands reached out and arms wide open…
soryy, but i dont agree w/you on god and satan. i believe there is spirits and ghosts, and there is another life, like the egyptians believed, somewhat like an afterlife. or SOMEthing. i dunno. its sorta funny, b/c just yesterday i got back from youth group. ah, well, i wont preach to you, and (hopefully) you wont preach to me…